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multsanta
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Mon, 29 Jan 2001 20:46:50 -0500
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[idm] anticon
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ok, i guess i'm gonna have to go into the three paragraph thing, i figured the outlandish statement made by that clouddead nutrider would have been pretty self explanatory, and i just felt the need to call him on it. plus shit's pretty off topic, imho. but i got a mailbox full of requests for clarification, so here goes. my problem isn't with the anticon collective per se. i am a huge dose fan, and (although he's not really a member) slug's one of my favorite mcs right now. the rest of them i don't really listen to, i prefer artists like aesop rock and cannibal ox who are out there but, stylistically, aren't as disconnected from the origins/'rules' of hip hop. but anticon's doing their thing, and that's cool with me. i'm just not into 90% of their shit (and for the record, i DO think sole ripped el-p & the whole '98 rawkus/independent as fuck movement to shreds pretty well, even though he played himself as a complete bitch on those i looovvee companny flowww tapes) basically i think ryjan hit the nail on the head. the problem lies in their fan base. the majority of them are a bunch of white kids who up until last year only listened to radiohead or whatever and thought hip hop was on some stupid throw your money at the camera shoot 'em up stupid shit. and then they read about dose one in cmj and suddenly they're die hard heads. that kid that was going on about how clouddead were the best thing in music typifies this whole 'movement'. okay, maybe that's his favorite thing in hip hop, but to say it's the BEST is hip hop is a slap in the face to everyone who has been involved in the shit from day one. and it's his loss that he's gonna limit himself sole will never make a record that hits home like "they reminisce over you" and buck65 will never record an album as emotionally complex as "illmatic". That shit's on a whole other level. You can't compare someone like nas struggling to survive in the QB projects or pete rock dedicating an entire life to collecting records to some suburbanite kids who have had the shit handed to them. they lack that hunger. and the fact is that ANTICON WOULD NOT EXIST WITHOUT THESE INFLUENTIAL RECORDS And i'm pretty sure the anticon guys would even acknowledge that fact. as far as i can tell they're pretty much down to earth in terms of their position in hip hop, it's their fans that took the whole advancement thing and ran with it. i mean, i don't even think anticon is all that innovative for the most part. a lot of these people jocking them only need to look at what organized konfusion, freestyle fellowship, project blowed, the log cabin crew, etc were doing back in the mid-90s to see that. anticon just added a white, suburban, high school art fag poetry twist to it. they're not as disconnected as you'd like to think. i mean, i remeber when sole was in live poets trying to be the white prodigy. um yeah... there now everybody knows andrew www.gljtch.net --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org